This sounds like reasonable setup and also ditch the ROF bonus on the Mega, unless you plan to boost cap recharge on it.

Losing a heavy drone, while switching to ROF means no change (actually, it's an ever so slight loss in DPS). Losing a Magstab on top of that however, means it's actually a significant loss.

Basically:
7 guns, 5% dmg bonus = 8.75 turrets + 2 mag stabs (+47%) = 12.9
7 guns, 5% RoF = 9.33 turrets + 1 mag stab (+23%) = 11.5

Morning Rise,

Thanks for keeping up with the feedback. Hopefully your revisions will be innovative.

"As I said in the OP, we are in a tough spot with the active armor bonuses. We don't want to throw them out, they are fun to play when they work, and we have hopes that we will continue to bring them into viability with other changes. That said, in the mean time we don't want to overcorrect for their current position in the meta."

A couple of things I would really like to get across.

'' When they work '' - they don't really. That's why the hype is mostly unused and will continue to be. Also why the proph is X times more popular than the Myrm.

"That said, in the mean time we don't want to overcorrect for their current position in the meta." This I really want an explanation to please.

Dragoon -> Proph -> Geddon. When looking for ways to innovate new game play styles and freshen up the mix with variety there doesn't seem to be an issue with Amar. However, if you play Galente you're effectively being told that an old legacy bonus that's never really worked well, still doesn't work very well. but maybe will get better is being hung around your neck Do or Die.

Ten years ago someone decided that Amar were armor tankers and gave them the two best bonus's you could ever ask for. Resists and Armor Hitpoints. Galente were also supposed to be armor tankers but someone seemed to think that DPS tanking with Blasters would make up for squishy tank. It hasn't in the least.

Add to this the fact that Galente across the board have lower pg and cap with the worst optimal and fall off and it's not hard to figure out why they've failed to have an impact or gain the popular following that other races have.

This is our chance to finally even things out but you're failing dismally to break the mold or forge a new direction. Instead we're being told that we're stuck with bad old legacy mechanics while other people move forward in new directions. This just isn't acceptable.

Armor Hitpoints would differentiate us as a tank philosophy. It would probably still make us second place to resists But, we could fit fewer plates and at least be fast enough to apply our myopic dps in more situations.

I don't want to be handcuffed to an old failed legacy anymore. I want innovation. I want to see solutions in action not promises that stuff that doesn't work might not be so bad later maybe.

Tiericide was supposed to open the door to new things. Lets see them please.

Incorrect, and if you'd paid a bit more attention to the thread, rather than insulting everyone (including people who have 7 years more experience than you... ) then you'd know this is incorrect:

7*1.25*1.47 = 12.9 turrets (current, with two mag stabs)
7/0.75*1.23 = 11.5 turrets (proposed, with RoF bonus and one mag stab)

On top of this it loses a heavy drone, with Ogre II's thats another -63 DPS.


The solution, is simple; increase ROF bonus to 7.5% assuming it's still losing a heavy drone. You could of course keep it the same by removing a low slot and giving it a 10% damage bonus without changing the drone bandwidth:

7*1.5*1.23 = 12.9

Looking forward to what these new discussions (that Rise eluded to earlier) lead to.

Saying the geddon is detrimental to active tanking like saying the Tempest is guilty of the same thing.
The cap being removed is the same. The levels of tank and damage are similar. The only difference is 12km and tunnel vision people seem to be stuck with.

And the roaming BS comment was saying that geddons WOULDNT be a threat to roaming gangs and such because very very few people fly around in Battleships. If they were, then CCP would have done some magic, hence my applause.

As a general note, idk why CCP doesn't use this opportunity to lift the whole battleship class to their former glory. 20% EHP, free extra turret+fitting for all, more sensor strength, lock range and capacitor. Ideally they would sit clearly above all other subcaps in damage, projection and staying power.

After Odyssey, ABCs will still rule.

P.S. "mobile armor battleship" is an oxymoron.

New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think.

Yeah they need to shuffle some things around. It makes more sense for the Hyperion to be fast and for the passive tanking ship (the mega) to have the larger buffer of the two.

This is somewhat justified on double-damage bonused hulls, but not on purely drone-oriented ships. Dominix could now well have it's missing slot back.

Another way to fix this would be to extend drone bonus to all drone effects, to actually make the mythical "drone utility" a reality. Halve ECM drone base strength while you are at it. This would also differentiate the Domi and Geddon, one would be a true drone boat, other a nasty ghetto Bhaal.

Also, I see no reason to not extend the native drone control range of Domi now to better suit it's sentry drone role.

but now can you work on making it less ugly so it looks more like something that was made to launch drones... something sexy like the algos

The lowslot it gained? See: http://i.imgur.com/ybjuixD.jpg

They're not. 8*1.25 = 10. 6*1.5 = 9, 7*1.25 = 8.75. Yikes.

and a funny side note the caldari battlecuiser is the strongest hybrid platform then with 10 unbonused guns of damage and
a range bonus on top

I've deleted a few non-constructive posts from this thread.

The megathron, as an attack battleship, is going to need more maneuverability and speed to counter being plated. The hyperion, being active armor-tanked combat battleship, will probably be faster than the megathron.

The Megathron has more effective turrets (although barley) but also has a tracking bonus... This instantly makes it more turret focused than the megathron.

As for the 50m3 less drone bandwidth. This is really the only complaing people are throwing at the new megathron that I agree with, give it 100m3 and I think much of the whining will stop. As for the hyperion, I think it needs to loose the 50m3 of extra drone bay. 125m3/125m3 is perfectly acceptable.

700 DPS for a BS is rather terrible.

The new Domi sucks! The sad part is CCP Rise has just disappeared. I really had hoped more from him and was actually excited when I heard he was going to work with them. Now he is doing the normal game Dev thing and is nowhere to be found. I think its pretty clear that the community really does not like the CCP nerf to the Domi. So my question how are they going to work to make it better? I posted along with many others some solid ideas. I wonder if CCP is even reading them.

I imagine the main reason for changing the mega was, because gallente had two turret small gang battleships(actually 3, since you also could fit the domi this way). I think the hp numbers on the first page still reflect the first iteration, basically HP should be swapped between mega and hype after the role change, giving the new mega quite some staying power with the extra low compared to the Abaddon.